so, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.
if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.
so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.
@Vidiot
I’ve only ever read about stories like this; I’ve never seen it firsthand (not that I’m doubting you guys).
Tell your mother and your relartives that you only trust Jesus and see what happens. Your unbelief is not a threat to them. It actually increases their thoughts of moral superiority.
to all those on this forum, i would love to know what your take on this vital question is..
People need pull out a dictionary and simply look up "God". God is infinite, otherwise he wouldn't be omnipotent.
The purpose of time is not so that God can find out things, it is so that we can find out things and LEARN. God is the repository of all POSSIBLE knowledge.
The purpose of time is that through it, we can learn the future and some will come to the conclusion that they should throw in their lot with God, and dare I SAY .... love him. It is the one thing he cannot create, but must be given willingly. This is the WHOLE point of our existence.
"He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?”
the last 5 months of charles taze russell's life was quite hectic, and according to reports in the watch tower magazine, russell's health was declining throughout.
in september, 1916, russell went on a convention train tour which lasted nearly the entire month.
this train tour included stops in several southern california locations around the 8th through the 12th.
Thanks for posting that starting over. Wow, your family goes back even farther than mine in the org.
You are mean mr. mustard.
I hope you are kidding.
jw claim they are the true religion and they mention the love they have among themselves as proof.
i have been watching a youtube creator who had some thoughts on the subject, bringing out jw were not really christian, based upon their actions.
he made a pretty good case.
I agree with JeffT. I been going to churches for 20 years. And, that is my conclusion as well.
If a person believes in the deity, death & resurrection of Jesus and that he died in their place as vicarious punishment for their sin... they are Christian.
If they try to add works, their church, and anyone or anything else to that contract, they are not Christian, period.
“For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.”
'by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified"
so, i’m just posting this as a warning to lurking jws.
if you’re still on the fence, here is a story.. my grandmother, now in her 80s hasn’t talked to anyone in the family for over 20 years ever since my mother was the last one of her children that left ‘the truth’, she had sent my mother a card to never talk to her again.
so here we are 21 years later, she gets a call out of the blue that she needed help, she hadn’t been able to get into her kitchen.
I'm sorry to hear that AnyMous. Cults take it all, and when there is nothing else to give they still want more.
My dad is 91. Lives in a apt. by himself with only 3 other neighbors nearby in a small town. No backyard, no pets allowed, just four walls and his zoom meetings. I own 75 acres of wooded land with ponds and much wildlife less that an hour from him. He loves nature. But, he'd rather end his days in misery rather than enjoy his sons and grandsons who can't live with his WT lies.
The gates of hell are all locked from the inside.
richard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .
'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.
'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.
@TonusOH,
Those historians are referring to what they call historical facts. The standards of evidence are significantly eased to account for how difficult it is (in many cases, impossible) to prove that someone existed.
Nonsense. There is far more reliable historical evidence for Jesus life, teachings, miracles, death, and resurrection than for any other historical figure of ancient times. Alexander the Great, who was born some 350 years before Christ, is based on two original biographical accounts of his life by Arrian and Plutarch, which were written some 400 years after Alexander died.
The manuscripts of Virgil and Horace, both of whom lived within a generation of Christ, were written more than four centuries after their deaths. The copy of works by Livy and Tacitus on Roman history and the works of Pliny Secundus on natural history were written more than 500 years after the time of the original account.
Yet no one doubts Alexander the Great, Virgil and Horace lived and authored great poetic masterpieces. Nor do we hear questions about the authenticity and accuracy of accounts of Livy and Tacitus in chronicling the events of the Roman Emperors Augustus, Claudius, Nero, or Tiberius.
About 1,000 times more manuscripts preserve the deeds and teaching of Jesus in the New Testament (about 25,000 total) than there are preserving other classical ancient works of historic figures who lived at approximately the same time, with the exception of Homer, whose Iliad is backed by 1,800 manuscripts. But that is still less than one-tenth the number of ancient manuscripts that back the authenticity of the New Testament.
The existence of Jesus is written about by his enemies, his friends, disinterested non-biblical sources etc. He is the most established figure in all of history.
Using your standard, how could you know that anyone has ever existed, including The Dawkins?
Famed Jewish archaeologist Eric Meyers, is emeritus professor in Judaic studies at Duke University. He is also the Bernice & Morton Lerner Professor at Duke University Meyers & has degrees from Dartmouth College, Brandeis University and Harvard University. He has served as President of the American Schools of Oriental Research. He says:
“I don’t know any mainstream scholar who doubts the historicity of Jesus ... no one who is serious doubts that he’s a historical figure.”
TonusOH, if what you (and Anony Mous) say is true, what would prompt the top atheist and non Christian scholars to lie to the public?
Do you think that the way you "reason" has anything to do with the fact that Atheists are one of the most disliked groups in America? Only 45 percent of Americans say they would vote for a qualified atheist presidential candidate, and atheists are rated as the least desirable group for a potential son-in-law or daughter-in-law to belong to.
Will Gervais at the University of British Columbia recently published a set of studies looking at why atheists are so disliked. His conclusion: It comes down to trust.
Do you think that they way your mind works would engender or inhibit trust from others? Are you trying to replicate in your life a fringe sub-culture like the one you had as a JW? We were trained to be societal freaks, outcasts, undisirables.... and were proud of it. Do you think you might have adopted another similar subculture outside of your awareness, subconsciously?
You can re-train your mind to function properly.
richard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .
'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.
'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.
neither accept nor deny that a preacher named Jesus might be the actual inspiration for the Bible character.
@TonusOH
Oh give me a break. So very cultic of you. So Bart Ehrman (and most all other scholars) calls you a mythicist if you deny Jesus' existence. For Jesus' deniers, that must feel weird to be called a mythicist by the top atheist bible critic representing their own worldview.
The problem you have is that once you accept Jesus' historical existence, as have virtuall ALL historians, then you must accept some form of evidence for that belief. But it is the evidence itself that you claim you cannot accept! See the problem you have? Pure insanity.
You are either a mythicist or a person employing suppression. Both of which are supposedly the antithesis of natual materialism.
Why should anyone think that a mythicist or a person known for suppressing facts is living in reality?
Look, I'm not picking on you personally. We have all had mental health issues after leaving WT. It is important to learn how to think loigically after having lived in insanity as WT subjects.
One definition of insanity is doing the same think over and over and expecting a different result. There is no safety in mythicism nor suppression..... both of which was our daily diet as JW's in our previous lives.
richard dawkins revealed that he celebrates christmas on radio four's today programme.. here is is quoted as saying: .
'i am perfectly happy on christmas day to say merry christmas to everybody,' dawkins said.
'i might sing christmas carols - once i was privileged to be invited to kings college, cambridge, for their christmas carols and loved it.
@TonusOH
The consensus among most all scholars who publish in this area are several facts surrounding he Resurrection of Jesus. You cannot change that, no matter how much you deny, run, and suppress it. You do not get to personally determine reality. That is truly delusional. You have never offered even one alterantive opinion on any of these facts; because you know there just aren't any good answers. So, like many ideolouges, you just wave the hand and say, there is no evidence. I got that treatment from the day I was born in a 4th gen JW family. No thank you.
The bible calls this a mental condition known as suppression in Romans 1: 18 - For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
Bart Ehrmann the leading atheist biblical scholar calls people who do not believe Jesus existed "mythicists". Whether a person like you is a mythicist, or a person suffering from a self-imposed suppression, it really makes no difference. You are disconnected from reality by either account.
just to give you guys an update on mine and my son’s exit from the matrix.
my son put on his instagram page he was no longer a jw and wished everyone a merry christmas.
🎄💥😳the blocks/unfollows came thick and fast.
This is what the XJW community needs. Fence sitters will die in their mediocrity.
I basically did the same. Took me 7-8 years though. You are an encouragement.
